18_100754_ General 1946-7_Vol_2
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18_100754_ General 1946-7_Vol_2
This file contains memorandums and correspondence related to flying disc/saucer sightings and that those are a matter of concern for the Air Materiel Command.
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HQAMC Form No. 1514 (Rev 30 Sep 46) R ;\IF—;J :IAN 477 300m \
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COMMUNICATION. AND' EN- AIR MATERIEL COMMAND
VELOPE TO COMMANDING
ENERAL, TERIEL
COMMAND, “ATTENTION TSDIN/mA/ig/6-1100
FOLLOWING OFFICE SYMBOL: WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO
TSDIN - i DEC 1 9 1947
SUBJECT: Flying Discs 3
TO: Chief of Staff
United States Air Force
Washington 25, De Ce
— ATTENTION: Director, Research & Development
4 I Major General L. C. Craigie i
1, Confirming the recent conversation of the undersigned with
Major General L. C, Craigie, 9 December 19447, attached as listed below
are copies of the reports from this Headguarters concerning Flying
Discs.
2, Comments of Headquarters, Air Force on these letters have
never been received by this Command. Continued and recent reports
from qualified observers concerning this phenomenon still makes this
matter one of concern to Headquarters, Air Materiel Command. Intelli=-
gence Depertment of this Command is continuing the collection and
analysis of all available reports.
FOR THE COMMANDING GENERAL:
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He M. ¥cCOY
Colonel, USAF
Chief of Intelligence
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subj "AMC Opinion Concerning
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"An‘dylil of "Plying Tisc' Reports®, : lhyp
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DATE: M EBATE: DATE: DATE:
REPLIED OR INDORS: | FILES (PLACE): OTHER ACTION:
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SUBJECT: Flying Discs
{*H Conmanding General
Air Materiel Coumand
Wrignt Field, Dayton, Nhio
Aten: TSDIN
x Ratmu-muihnomelm, memoranda from
[ your office to this headguarters, subject as above.
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2, It is Air Fores peliey not to igmore reports of sightings S
kit and phenomena in the atmosphere but to recognise that pert of its N
mission is to coliect, collate, evaluate and act on information of
3. In Lmplementing this poliey, it is desired that the Air NN\
Moteriel Command set up = project vho:a purpose iz to collect, N
collate, mmmmm.ummnumaxm-
and contractors all information concerning sightings and phenomens
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which f2113 outeide the field of the Air Meteriel Command.
b. 1Tt 1s suggested that the activities of this project includs
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priority 24 with a gecurity classification of " and Code ™
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BY GCOMMAND OF THE CHIEF OF STAFF:
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L. C. CRAIGIE o e
§ Inels Major Ceneral, U. S. Ady Force
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Lrom ANC to AC/AS-2 Office, Deputy Chief of Staff, Materiel
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GRADE AND (| fvom AMC to A ff?‘"’ 0 ! ‘wéfi"é‘("“-
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Basic Itr fr Hq. Pourth Air Force, Hamilton Fld, Calif., dated 5 Dec '47,
subjects Flying bisc.
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| Dept. of the Air Porce, Hq. USAF, ¥ashingten 25, D. C. \22 DEC 1347,
} TO: Commanding Ceneral, Fourth Air Force, Hunil/ton Field, California
{ o ol e
| 1. The marks appearing on tho‘;%gt.,gaéhq inclosed in basic letter
| are believed to be defects in the film, paper, or camera and not pictures
of "flying discs".
\ 2. It is requested that no further investigation be made of this
\ incident. '
.! FCR THE QUIEF OF STAFF:
e Lt. Colonel, U.S AT,
/ Executive, Air Intelliigercy Reguiremeats Div,
Incls. Directorate of Intelligence
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TypE: LI 1‘177848
SRV | y
, Flying Dise Mary L Herren
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TO: TO: C T%_ o ST TO: TOCEND Tumaon o
REPLIED OR INDORSED T0: FILED (PLACE)F OTHER ACTION:
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O HEADQUARTERS FOURTH AIR FORCE
Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, A«2
Intelligence
Hamilton Field, California
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SUBJECTs Flying Disc.
T0s Chief of Staff
United States Air TForece
Washington 25, D. C.
ATTN: Director of Intelligence
. PR e N X Qo /~10c &
A8 ‘1« The attached photographs were forwerded to this office
by & very reliable source of information, obtained from a lary L.
Herren, 1728 S. W. Bidwell Avenue, Portland 2, Oregon. SHe advises
ese photographs were teken some time between November 5th and
12th, 1946, in the viecinity of Jefferson, Oregon, and points out
the formation in the photographs as being objects she did not recall
seeing herself but she thought might possibly be flying dises.
2. The objects referred to eppear in the sky area of each
accompanying photographs The uniformity of the markings would
tend to indicate that the camera or film used to take these pictures
was possibly defective., No incidents of flying dises lave
been reported from that vieinity on or about the inclusive dates
named ebove.
. Ss Mrs. Herren has requested the return of the negatives. If
desired, this office will obtain the negatives and forward them at
your request.
DONALD L. SPRINGER
3 Incla: Lt. Colonel, USAF
Photographs. AC of 8, A=2
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HEADQUARTERS
* AIR MATERIEL COMMAND :
o MMUNICATION. AND. ENe TSNAD~2B/ACL/amb
VELOPE ATTENTION OF
Fouo’wfi:f OFFICE.SYMBQL: . WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO
_ TSNAD-2B 1 g N 0V 1947
BJECT: 1 i i
sul Flying Discs i) ¢S
TO: Chief of Staff
United States Air Force
Washington 25, D. C,
: ATTENTION:; Office, Director of Intelligence
Lt Colonel George Garrett, Jr,
\ B 1. The inclosed newspaper clippings are submitted for your informa-
) tion and comment, The incident reported in Seattle appeared in the "Dayton
Journal" on 12 November 1947, and should be followed up if possible, X
2. The story by Lionel Shapiro regarding war weapons developed im
Spein evidently was printed in a number of lsading newspapers throughout
the countrye The significance of this article will be dependent upon cer- Q’
tein essential elements for such alleged important developments, such as o
funds, materials, experimental testing facilities, and technological
"mow-how". The latter is supposed to be supplied by Germen scientists., :?'3
The German scientists at this Hq indicate that no importent scientists
from Germany are working in Spain, end those mentioned in this article \C‘,
ere not lmown to them,
3, If possible, therefore, an effort should be made to obtain nemes, fl\’\
qualifico.tions, or any information that might help to identify the alleged
‘ Germen scientists working in Spain. PR
4, A brief statement was made in a recent intelligence report from ?
Hq, USAF, Ac/As-z, regarding & flying disc incident in Alaska in September, {
The close range sighting reported should render a more detailed observntion\;‘
then whet was reported, which also suggests a follow=-up.
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5., It is further requested that this office be advised as to progress .~ —
peing mede on the plotting of all flying disc incidents to date, particu- ~
1erly in North America, It was understood that Dr, Carroll was going to [N
plo’t these incidents, but no further word was received regarding this ef- X
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HqAMC Form No. 10-514 (Rev. 1 Aug 45) == |
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HEADQUARTERS
AIR MATERIEL COMMAND
D! BOTH
COMAIEATIONT AND] Y- TSNAD-~2B /ACL/axib
VELOPE TO ATTENTION OF
FOLLOWING OFFICE SYMBOL: WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO
TSNAD=2B
i P 24 NOV 1947
SUBJECT: ying Discs /718/
TO: Chief of Staff
United States Air Force
Weshington 25, D. C,.
== ATTENTION: Office, Director of Intelligence
Lt Colonel George Garrett, Jr.
Reference letter, subject as above, dated 18 November 1947, it is
requested that immediate action be taken to appropriately mark or stamp
this correspondence with the classification "secret", This classifice-
tion number is as follows: U=48983
FOR THE COMMANDING GENERAL$
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He My McCOY
olonel, USAF
Chief of Intelligence
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SR TR No. 10514 (Rev 10 Sop 46) WRLT JAN &7 00M
HEADQUARTERS
COMMUNICATION. AND. EN. AIR MATERIEL COMMAND
VELOPE TO COMMANDING
LOMMAND, 'ATTENTION : TSDIN/HIY/ig/6-4100
FOLLOWING OFFICE SYMBOL: WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO
TSDIN j "ED O ¢ 5
EP 2 3 1647
SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concerning ®Flying Discs"
TO: Commanding General
Army Air Forces
Washington 25, De Ce
— ATTENTION: Brige. General George Schulgen
AC/AS-2
1. As requested by AC/AS-2 there is presented below the considered
opinion of this Command concerning the so-called "Flying Discs"., This
opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by AC/AS-2 and
preliminary studies by personnel of T=2 and Aircraft Laboratory, Engineer-
_ ding Division T-3, This opinion was arrived at in a conference between
persomel from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T-2, Office,
Chief of Engineering Division, and the Aireraft, Power Plant and Propeller
Laboratories of Engineering Division T=3,
2, It is the opinion thats:
a., The phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary
or fictitious. A
be There are objects probably approximating the shape of a
. disc, of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as man-made
aircraft.
ce There is a possibility that some of the incidents may be
caused by natural phenomena, such as meteorse
de The reported operating characteristics such as extreme
rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which
must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly air-
craft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects
are controlled either marually, automatically or remotely.
es The apparent commen description of the objects is as follows:~-
(1) Metallic or light reflecting surface.
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; A 3 Basic Ltr fr CG, ANMC, WF to CG, AAF, Washe De Co subj MAMC Opinion Con-
cerning ®Flying Discs". \
: (2) Absence of trail, except in a few instances when the
object apparently was operating under high perfor=-
mance conditionse.
(3) Circular or elliptical in shape, flat on bottom and
domed on tope
(L) Several reports of well kept formation flights varying
from thréee to nine objects.
(5) Normally no associatéd sound, except in three instances
a substantial rumbling roar was noted.
(6) Level flight speeds normally above 300 knots are esti-
. matede Y
fe It is possible within the present U. S. knowledge -=- pro-
vided extensive detailed development is undertaken -- to construct a
Ay piloted aircraft which has the general description of the object in sub-
paragraph (e) above which would be capable of an approximate range of
7000 miles at subsonic speeds.
g. Any developments in this country along the lines indicated
would be extremely expensive, time consuming and at the considerable ex=—
pense of current projects and therefore, if directed, should be set up in-
dependently of existing projectse
h. Due consideration must be given the following:=—
! (1) The possibility that these objects are of domestic
origin - the product of some high security mroject
. not known to AC/AS-2 or this Command.
: (2) The lack of physical evidence in the shape of crash
recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the
existence of these objects.
(3) The possibility that some foreign nation has a form
of propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outside of
our domestic knowledges
3. It is recommended thats~-
a, Headquarters, Army Air Forces issue a directive assigning
a priority, security classification and Code Name for a detailed study of
this matter to include the preparation of complete sets of all available
and pertinent data which will then be made available to the Army, Navy,
Atomic Energy Commission, JRDB, the Air Force Scientific Advisory Group,
NACA, and the RAND and NEPA projects for comments and recommendations,
with a preliminary report to be forwarded within 1 s of receipt of
the data and a detailed report thereafter every 30%2% as the investi-
-2- U-39552
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A e 1 SEEREF
Basic Ltr fr CG, AMC, WF to CG, AAF, Washe DeCe subj "AMC Opinion Con=
cerning "Flying Discs"
gation develops. A complete interchange of data should be effected.
L Awaiting a specific directive AMC will contimue the investi-
gation within its current resources in order to more closely define the
nature of the phenomenon. Detailed Essential Elements of Information
will be formulated immediately for transmittal thru channelse.
Lieutenant General, UeSeAs :
I Comma nding
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TSDIN/HMM/ig/6-L100
23 September 1947
TSDIN
SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concerning "Flying Discs"
TO: Commanding General
Army Air Forces
Washington 25, D, C. ,
ATTENTION: Brig. General George Schulgen
AC/AS-2
1. As reguested by AC/AS-2 thereis presented below the considered
opinion of this Command concerning the so-called "Flying Discs". This
opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by AC/AS-2 and
preliminary studies by personnel of T=-2 and iircraft Laboratory, Engineer-—
ing Division T=3. This opinion was arrived at in a conference between
personnel from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T~2, Office,
Chief of Engineering Division, and the Aircraft, Power Plant and Propeller
Laboratories of Engineering Division T-3.
2, It is the opinion that:
a, The phenomenon raported is something real and not visionary
or fictitious.
b. There are objects probably approximating the shape of a
. dise, of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as man-made
aircraft.
¢, There is a possibility that some of the incidents may be
caused by natural phenomena, such as meteors.
d. The reported operating characteristics such as extreme
rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which . 1
must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly air-
craft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects
are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely.
e. The apparent common description of the objects is am follows:
(1) Mstallic or light reflecting surface,
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4 i -
; Basic Lty fr CO, AM(, W to Ca,” ALV, Wagh. D.C. subj YANC Opinion Con-
cerning “Flying Discs".
| (2) Avsence of trull, except in'a few instunces when the )
\ object apparently .was operating under high perfor- ;
mance conditions. )
5 wir 3) Circular or elliptical in shapa, flat on botbom and
: domed on top. )
: ()" Several reports of well kept foymabion flighte varying '
SoLhy from three to nine objects.
; % ) (5) Homally no associated sound, except in three instances
; . @ substartial rumbling roar was noted. . - ‘ g b
| ‘ : (6) Level flight speeds normally above 300 knota are esti-' .
; £, It iy possible within the present U. S. knowledge ~=pro- </
vided extensive detailed development is undertaken —- to donstruct a’ o) oA
o g piloted aircraft which has the general degseription of the object in sub~ - -
; paragraph (e) above which would be' capable of an approximate range of . =
I 7000 miles at subsonic speeds. p T ‘ e ~
Y gi kny developments in this country along the lfinn ,}miicahé : )
| © womld be extremely expensive, time consuming and &% the eonsiderable ex-
y pense of current projects and therefore, if dirscted, should be set up ine
dependently of existing projects. - . ‘ " &%
e _'h. e congideration mist be given the toilow&nk:- g a0
v (1) e possibility that these objects are of domestic
J i . . origin - the product of wome high security project - =
‘ . : M not known to AC/AS-2 or this Command . { gl '
e ' (2) ‘e lack of physical cvi&'{\do’ in the shape of crash = - .+
¢ . recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the
: el . v existance of thegse objects. . TR
LYK 3 (3) e possibility that some forei¢n nation has & form
; - of propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outside of
: ‘. our domestic knowledge. = - : _‘
' 3. It ig recommended thati~ P AR
: 4. lieadquarters A.rqx by B igsue & directi ulignm "
a priovity, security olassification nnm Hame for a dn.nhd study of .
this matter to include the preparation of complete sets of all available )
and pertinent data which will then be made available to the Army, Navy, v
.. Atomic Energy Commission, JEDB, the Air Force Scientific Advisory Uroup, -
. NACA, and the RALND and NEPA projects for comments and recomendationa, :
- with a preliminary report to be forwarded within 15 days of receiph of '
the date and a detailed report thereafter every 30 days as the investi- _
gory E s\ a% E I o
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Basic Ltr fr CG, AMC, WF to G, AAF, Wash. D.C. Subj “AMC opinion Con-
cerning "Flying Discs"
gation develope. A complete interchange of data should be effected.
L. A;waiting a specific directive AMC will continme the investi-
gation within its current resources in order to more closely define the
naturs of the pehnomenon. Detailed HEssential Elements of Information
will be formulated immediately for transmittal thru channels.
N+ F. TWINING
Iieutenant General, U.S.*.
Commanding
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Aot r‘ \
TIRE
YA coP Y'
i TSNAD-2B/ACLseec
2l; September 1947
TSN4AD~2B
SUBJECT: "Flying Disc®
TOs Commanding General
Army Air Forces
Washington 25, D. C.
ATTN: AGC/AS-2
Major Gereral George lcDom 1d
1, In compliance with Gencral McDonald's telephone conversa=
tion, this date, to Colonel H. M. McCoy, T-2, Hqs AMC, attached
herewith is a copy of a drawing entitled, "Loedding Flying Disc",
designated LD-2., Because of patent rights involvad, it is reques-
ted that a record be kept of all persons reviewing this drawing by
witnessing with signatures and dates directly on the drawing.
2« This drawing should be returned to this office when it
has served its purpose so that it can be turned over to the Pa}enb
Office Hq. AMC for official record. WA y
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3s _Inclosed herewith is also a report prepared by the Royal
Airc?fl' Establishment, Technical Note, AERO 1703, which describes
the 1’_o!_.z'gn,jgi.'l.les:;.,.a:l.n:zfa\f‘t.. The following references are invited
which is considered significant in relating the Horten brothers per-
. spective thinking and accomplishments toward the alleged "Flying %
ucer® case:
a. Page 5, Paragraph L and 6.
b. Page 6, Paragraph 1 and 7.
c. Page 26, Paragraph 3 and 10.
d. Page 27, Paragraph 12,
e. Page 23, Paragraphs 1 through 5.
f. Page 54, Photograph of Horten "Parabola®.
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Basic ltr, dtd 24 Sep L7, to CG, Hq A4AF, Wash, subjs "Flying Disc" ¢
g+ Page 69, The Horten VIII.
h, Pages 71 and 72, Photographs of the Horten IX Versions.
i. Page 7h, Drawing of the "Parabolaf.
This document should also be returned when it has served its. intended 1
purpose . ’(4 .21 L A Attt S =~ Q&Jx/«(,{g
: Le A recent report from the U. S, Military atbache, Moscow, USSR,
dated 9 June 1947, indicates that 1800 aircraft, directly or indirectly
based on the Horten VIII design (six engine pusher, having a wing spread
. of 131 feet and a gross weight of approximately thirty-three thousand
pourds) are being built for bomber squadron use. The Russian version,
however, is jet propelled, reference report whose identification No, is
V-3%2291-8,
R X0 7S
5. The T-2 report "German Flying Wings Designed by Horten Brothers"
No. F-SU-1110-Nd, also inclosed herewith, may be rstained By your office
if desired. 3
FOR THE COMMANDING GENERAL:
H. M, NcCOY
Colonel, sir Corps
Deputy Commanding General
‘ Ihtelligence (T-2)
3 Incls:
l. Drawing :
2. RAE Tech Note, AERO 1703 MW ~ el L
3. T-2 Rpt, No. F-SU-1110-8D / -«x24 4‘7...4 Az
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' ORM NO. MR-1 (2) B .
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DATE: ; Pk : 30 Oct 47
INDEX: 0009 mi.ng Saucer = Phenomena |
To: GSGID, Plans ayd Gollestion Bra oh
FROM: Chief, Air Intelligence Requirements Divisiom, AC/S-2
SUMMARY: Intelligence Requirements on Flying Samcer Type Alrcraft
D/F
FILED: 350,09 Intelligence : '
|NDEXER: ©
REMARKS: 2 _
@ (o Aerees ATt
: HEADQUARTERS ARMY AIR FORCES
CORRESPONDENCE REFERENCE FORM
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- Wrtn 22 Oct 1947
B/L fu AMC, Subjs "Flyimg Discs", dtd 18 Cot 47 Lt Col Garrett/dl/a544
AFBIR-CO-5
AFBRIR=CO~-8 let Ind
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Dept. of the Alr Force, Hq., USAF , ilashington 25, D. C. 28 0CT 1947
Tos Commanding General, Air Nateriel Command, Wright Pield, Ohio
(Attentions 7-2)
1. A representative of this headquarters has contacted Lt. Colonel
Herbert C. Cee concerning Mrs. Merchent's theory on the fiying dises,
ag expressed to General Brentnall. ;) Vs :
‘2. It is recommended that mo sction be takem to 1nton;o‘tto
Mrs. ¥erchant and that this ocsse be closed.
. BY CRDER OF THE SECRETARY OF THE AIR FCRCE: g ‘ <
“Inels - /e DOUGLASS W. ETSEVMAN ! '
Lt. Colonely Abx=torns USAF '
: - Exeoutive, yir Intely hequirements Division
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Hesdquarters
‘ATR WATERIBL COMIAND
| . TSNAD-2B/ACL/ac
TSNAD-2B Wright FPield, Dayton, Chio
13 Oct 1947
SUBJECT: * “"Flying Discs™
701 “Chief of Staff: ) ;
3 United States Air Force
Washington 25, D. C.
ATTN: rAc/AS-2
Lt Col George Garrett )
1. Attached copies of communications ere self-explenatory ;
and indicate action taken to obtain additional information regarding
. subject, = Assistence shown. from Lt Col Herbert C. Gee was with' '
rTeference to the social standing exnd charscter of Mrs. Merchant to
determine justification for further investigation of her theories.
2., ' In view of Lt Col Gee's transfer to Washington, D. C., it
is suggested that a representative from Headquerters, AC/AS-2 con-
tact and interview him.
: 3. " ‘Geunersl Brentnall stated that Mrs, Merchant was extremsly
talkative and seemed quite intent on promoting e personal enterprise
instead of cooperating to help solve an intelligence problem.
i 4.+ Comments end suggestions, therefore, regarding further
action to interrogate Mrs. Merchant would be appreciated in order to
close this case as soon &s possible. N
. FOR THE' COMMAYDING GENERAL: '
L]
/s/ W. R. Clingeman, Col., A. C.,-
B for
2 Incls He M. McDOY . :
1. Cy awc, T-2 Ltr, 9/29/47, Colonel, Air Corps
"Flying Discs" Deputy Commanding General )
2. Cy 1st Ind, 10/2/47, fr Intelligence (T-2)
¥ ; Hq. Kirtland Field,
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13 Qct 1947 :
SUBJECT: - "Flying Discs"
> 70 Commanding COfficer s
Operating Location No. 16 of 2
7318t AAFRU |(101st AACS Sq) ‘
Y Kirtland Field R
Albuguergiue, New Mexico ]
) ATTN# "Col.’ Howard .G. Bunker
< 1. * General Erentnall, during s recent visit at Las Vegas, fos
was eontacted by a lMrs. Madelina Gwynne Merchent, Sante Fe, New
; \ . Mexico,’ whe deseribed what may be. termed'a novel theory concerning:. -
. \ "Flying Discs!. ) x
48 2. " " HAecording to her thoery, "Flying Discs" are being fired
from e locality in'Central Mexico from & laboratory which is
; : being opercted by the Russians. She cleims they are being @imed
> at the Tmited Stetes for the purpose of sighting in on important X ]
¥ atomic energy and sircraft installetions. . i 3
, : « 3. General Brentnall states that he does not have any
further interest in an interrogation of Mrs. Merchent since it is E
2 not an engineering matter. Howover, he recommends that if Hg, Air
’ Materiel Command, T-2, wishes to sponsor an interrogation .of this
neture that Col. Howard Bunker should be contacted to determine
the neame and .address of the colonel at Las Vegsas who has knowledge
of this case., In.view of General Brentnall's suggestion, no ¢
" direct contact will be made with Mrs. Merchant. X
4 . 4. It is“reguested, therefore, that the name and address of i
5 the above mentioned colonel be made available to this office as
soon as possible so thet further action, as deemed advisable, cen
be taken. : :
) FUR THE COMVANDING GENERAL:
: w8 e B, Gol
H, M. McCOY
y Colénel, Air Corps
' ‘Deputy Commending CGeneral
, . Intelligence (7-2)
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B/L fr. Hqs, AMC, Wright Fiecld, Deyton, Ohio, File TSNAD-2B, 29 Sep 47, .
subjj:. "'Flying Discs"
18t Ind AGBsms
HEADQUARTERS, Firtleand Field, Albuguerque, New Mexico, 2 October 1947
TO: Commanding General, Air Materiél Commend, Wright. Field, Ohio
: j KTTENTION: “P=2 .
14 The:officer referred to in Par. 3.is Lt. Col, Herbert C.(Ges,
. 0-19717, who was formerly Commanding Officer at Los Alamos rather .than
Las Vegas, as stated. 'Lt. Col. Cee is:now stationed in the office, -
Chief of Engineers, Civil Works Division, Washington, R C.
2,. There is no replacement for Lt, Col. Gee at Los Alamos and no
vinformation is available bto indicate that any individual in this vicinity y
has more informetion concerning ¥rs. Merchant's theory than Brig. Gen.
. Brentnall of AMC who personally conducted en interview with her. ’
J HONARD G« BUNKER . :
! $ ¢ Colonel, AC
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L’“ SusPENSE DATE! |Nno.:
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MG Wi/vld, Ohio. FILE DESIGNATION AND DATE:
Type: LET. g P 94846
SMRY:
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REPLIED OR INDORSED TQf [ FILED (PLACE): OTHER ACTION:
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Department of the Alr Yoree, Hg, USAY, Vashingden 36, D, o, [ ° OCT 194F ~
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ATTH: TSNAD-2B oumnte VELEAAL Tield, Day¥i,OMe
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Attached hereto 1a information requssted im dagie letter,
/)U BT ORDER OF THR SECRZPARY OF RHX AIR JOROE;
DOUGLASS W. EISEMAH O e
" P e s ut. Colonel, Adp-Gorst )
(=3 1nale e , £xecutive,. Mir Intel, Requirssuts Divisie
OFFICE SYMBOL. I i 5 ‘o“ 4{4“ ATRIR.CO |
~ GRADE AND 2 (b Memo for Ch ly, (| {freel Taylor mj—_—
SURNAME OF l 2 Osk 47 V / ‘ @ Schulges
coogpnu‘rlfld RN N . LB ) PR SRS LI o 180 s
oFFICERS 3 || Sumwary of Inffe on *Usidentilfied W M lectan Lt Col Gepyekt/Galpe USA
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24 Sept 47
TSNAD;ZB
"Flying Saucers"
Gommanding General, Army-Air Force, Washingtg, 25, 0.0,
ATTN: AS?LS—Z, Lt Col Garrett 2 /
It is requested that this office be furnished al vailadle
information concerning an alleged "Flylng Saucer" f1ight sighting
made by @& radsr atation in Japan. This incident was mentioned by
Dr. Charles Carroll during a conference in Brig Gen Schulgen's :
office attended by Mr. A.C. Loedding, T-2 representative, on &
September 1947, g
FOR THE COMMANDING GENERALSY
/8] M.E.Goll
/%] H.M.MeCOY
Colonel, Air Corps
Deputy Commanding General
Intelligence T-2
~SEGREr—
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" AFELR=CU/ItCol, Garrett fam/b5Ll
8/ Sept- L7
11 SEP 14T :
SUBJECT: HReported Sightings of Flying Discs. )
: 0 ¢ Commanding General
Air Materiel Command
Sk Wright Fleld, Dayton, Ohio
] \ Atgention: T-2,
; -
| 1. X8 arranged verbally with Mr. Loedding, inclosed is the
complete file maintained by thie Cffice on reported sightings of
.. Flying Discs. :
2., This Tile is forwarded so that photestats may be made in i '
order to provide your Command with a duplicate set of these sightings, -
) 3. Then photostating this material for your purpose, it will i3
be appreciamted if cne extra set is made for this Office and returned
at the same time the originals are returned, \c\
4. This file, and the duplicates, should be returned as scon
as posaible to this Headquarters, Attention: AC/AS~2, Air Intelligence
Tequirenents Division, Collection Dranch. g
] BY COMMAND OF GENERAL SPAATZ3 Bé
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2 a/s in |, g e oy Ifi;;c?g;::liir Intel, Requirements Division :
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AF.HQ433 (20 MAY 44) RESTRICT!-”
3 ¥ HEADQUARTERS ARMY AIR FORCES _
NO.
ROUTING AND RECORD SHEET -
SUBJECT: Flying Saucer Phenomena
TO: Deputy Chief of Air Staff for Research & Development DATE 22 August 1947
COMMENT No._ L
FROM: AC/AS-2, Air Intelligence Requirements Division It Col Garrett/nc/4544
Collection Branch
1, From a detailed study of certain reported observations on the flying saucers,
selected for their veracity and reliability, it is apparent that several aspects of
their appearance have a common pattern.
2, Before pursuing its investigation of these objects any further, this Office
requests assurance that no research project of the Army Air Forces, at present being
t-flown, has the following characteristics and that it may therefore be assumed
W2 recent flying saucer "mystery" is not of United States origin:
a. Surface is metallic - indicating a metallic skin, at least.
b. When a trail is observed, it is a lightly colored blue-brown haze, similar
to a rocket engine's exhaust. Contrary to a rocket of the solid type, one observation
indicates that the fuel may be throttled, which would indicate a liguid rocket engine.
¢» A8 to shape, all observations state that the object is circular, or at
jeast elliptical, flat on the bottom and slightly domed on the top.
d. OSize estimates place it somewhere near the size of a C-54 or Constellation
as they would appear while flying at 10,000',
e, Some reports describe two tabs located at the rear and symmetrical about
‘ axis of flight motion,
£, Flights have been reported containing from three to nine objects, flying
good formation on each other, with speeds always above 300 knots.
g, The discs oscillate laterally while flying along, which could be snaking.
TS 32
ROBERT TAYLOR 3RD
Colonel, Air Corps
Chief, Collection Branch
Air Intelligence Requirements Division i
AC/AS~2
PAGE : 3:1100, AF (KEV 20 WAY 44
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\ FORM NO. MR-1 (4)
DATE: 5 Aug 47 {
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- INDEX: 000.9 Phenomena
TO: Chief, Intelligence Group, Intelli ence iivision, War Dept Gen Staff
FROM: Executive, Air Intel, Requirements Division, AC/AS-2
SUMMARY: Request for F. B. I. Investigetion on Background of Certein Witnesses
‘ to "Flying Discs".
i Memo :
F”_ED 333.5 Investigation ;
INDEXER: ejb ;
REMARKS:
; HEADQUARTERS ARMY AIR FORCES
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<o AT HEADQUARTERS ARMY AIR FORCES _
NO.
ROUTING AND RECORD SHEET -
T0: Air Intelligence Requirements Division, AS/_-'LS—?: i DATE ; 4
Attn: Collection Branch AUG 2 9 1947
4 COMMENT No._ 2
FROM: Deputy Chief of Air Staff for Research & Development Ny 1305,11;?5,0/734—)1
4. bee
The Army Air Forces has no research moject with the characteristics described
in Comment No. 1.
el URTIS E. LeMAY
. Major General, U. S. Arm
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AFTHE. G :7'_ Deputy Chief of Air Staff for
AFDRE-2 - 7 & bt Research and Development
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r PA(QE‘.R_Z__ 3:1109, AF (REV 20 MAY 44)
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