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The FBI's 62-HQ-83894 case file includes investigative records, eyewitness testimonies, and public reports concerning Unidentified Flying Objects and flying discs documented between June 1947 and July 1968. The records include high-profile incident accounts, photographic evidence from sites like Oak Ridge, TN, and technical proposals regarding potential propulsion systems. Additional topics include convention programs, researcher accounts, and extensive media coverage from the period. This file is partially posted on FBI vault with more redactions and some pages missing. Included here is the complete case file with several newly declassified pages and only minor redactions.
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” UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
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In Riply, Plasst Refer 1 Albuquerque, New Mexico
File No. May 8, 1964
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
SOCORRO, NEW MEXICO
APRIL 24, 1964
Special Agent D. Arthur Byrnes, Jr., Federal
Bureau of Investigation, stationed at Albuquerque, New
Mexico, was at Socorro, New Mexico, and at the State
Police Office there on business late afternoon of
April 24, 1964.
At approximately 5:45 to 5:50 P. M., Nep Lopez,
radio operator in the Socorro County Sheriff's Office,
located about thirty feet down the hall from the State
Police Office, came into the State Police Office.
Mr. Lopez advised M. 8. Chavez, New Mexico State
Police, that he had just received a radio call from Officer
Lonnie Zamora to come to an area about one mile southwest
of Socorro. The call was in relation to some unknown
object which "landed and has taken off.'" Agent Byrnes
finished his work in the State Police Office at Socorro
at approximately 6:00 P. M., April 24, 1964, and there-
after proceeded to the site where Officer Zamora,
Socorro County Undersheriff Jim Luckie, Sergeant M. S.
Chavez, and Officer Ted Jordan, New Mexico State Police,
were assembled.
It may be noted that it has been the observation
of Agent Byrnes that Officer Zamora, known intimately for
approximately five years, is well regarded as a sober,
industrious, and conscientious officer and not given
to fantasy.
Officer Zamora was noted to be perfectly sober
and somewhat agitated over his experience.
Special Agent Byrnes noted four indentations
in the rough ground at the "site" of the object described
Thie ‘.tum-ent contains neither recommendations
®er conclusions of any kind. 1€ s the prasass
;‘1 $he FBL. aad is 2 foan to your “gtncyzrit a:d.'c;:
. ~.::';Q'.nh are not to be distributed outside your
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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
by Officer Zamora. These depressions appeared regular
in shape, approximately sixteen by six inches rectangular.
Each depression seemed to have been made by an object
going into the earth at an angle from a center line. Each
depression was approximately two inches deep and pushed
some earth to the far side.
Inside the four depressions were three burned
patches of clumps of grass. Other clumps of grass in the
same area appeared not to be disturbed. One burned area
was outside the four depressions.
There were three circular marks in the earth
which were smooth, approximately four inches in diameter
and penetrated in the sandy earth approximately one-eighth
of an inch as if a jar lid had gently been pushed into
the sand.
No other person was noted in the area the night
of April 24, 1964. No other objects were noted in the
area possibly connected with the incident related by
Officer Zamora.
So far as could be noted, there were no houses
or inhabited dwellings in the area or in sight of the area.
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‘@’* &R UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
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»\m FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
In Riply, Ploase Refor & Albuquerque, New Mexico
n e 'y jlease Iiejer to 7
File No{, iy 8, 1964
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING CGBJECT
SOCORRO, HEW MEXICO
APRIL 24, 1964
Special Agent D. Arthur Byrmes, Jr., Federal
Bureau of Investigation, stationed at Albuquerque, New
Mexico, was at Socorro, New Mexico, and at the State
Police Office there on business late afternoon of
April 24, 1964.
At approximately 5:45 to 5:50 P, M., Nep Lopez,
radio operator in the Socorro County Sheriff's Office,
located about thirty feet down the hall from the State
Police Office, came into the State Police Office.
Mr. Lopez advised M. S. Chavez, New Hexico State
Police, that he had just received & radio call from Officer
Lonnie Zamora to come to an are2 about ome mile southwest
of Socorro. The call was in relation to some unknown
object which "landed and has taken off.” Agent Byranes
finished his work in the State Police Office at Socorro
at approximately 6:00 P. M., April 24, 1964, and there-
after proceeded to the site where Officer Zamora,
Socorro County Undersheriff Jim Luckie, Sergeant M. S.
Chavez, and Officer Ted Jordan, New Mexico State Police,
wvere assembled.
It may be noted that it has been the observation
of Agent Byrnes that Officer Zamora, kmnown intimately for
approximately five years, is well regarded as a sober,
industrious, and conscientious officer and not given
to fantasy.
Officer Zamora was noted to be perfectly sober
and somewhat agitated over his experience.
Special Agent Byrnes noted four indentations
in the rough ground at the "site" of the object described
This decument centains neither recommendations
nor conclusions of any kind. it is the preperty
of the FBY, and is a loan to your agency; it and/er
its contamts are not te be distributed outside your
agency,
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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
by Officer Zamora. These depressions appeared regular
in shape, approximately sixteen by six inches rectangular.
Each depression seemed to have been made by an object
going into the earth at an angle from a center line., Each
depression was approximately two inches deep and pushed
some earth to the far side.
Inside the four depressions were three burned
patches of clumps of grass. Other clumps of grass in the
same area appeared not to be disturbed. One burned ares
was outside the four depressions.
There were three circular marks in the earth
which were smooth, approximately four inches in diameter
and penetrated in the sandy earth approximately one-eighth
of an inch as if a jar 1lid had gently been pushed into
the sand.
No other person was noted in the area the night
of April 24, 1964. No other objects were noted in the
area possibly connected with the incident related by
Officer Zamora.
fo far as could be noted, there were no houses
or inhabited dwellings in the area or im sight of the area.
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FX UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
‘?»,_»3 FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Albuquerque, New Nexico
In Reply, Please Refer 4
o g g Mny 8, 1964
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING GBJECT
SOCORRO, NEV XICO
APRIL 24, 1964
Special Agent D, Avtiax Byrnes, Jr., Federal
Bureau of Investigation, statiomed at Albuquerque, New
Mexico, wvas at Socorro, New lexico, and at the State
Police Office there om business late afternoon of
April 24, 1964.
At approximately 5:45 to §:50 P. M., liep lopes,
radio operator in the focorro County Sheriff's Office,
located about thirty feeot down the hall from the State
Police Office, came into the State Police Office.
v, lopez advised . 8. Chavez, New loxico State
Police, that he had just received a radio call from Officer
Lonnie Zamora to ¢oms to an area about one mile southwest
of Socorro. The call was in relation to some unknown
object which "landed and has taken off." Agent Byrnes
finished his work in the State Police Office at Socorro
at approximately 6:00 P, M., ‘pril 24, 1964, and there-
after proceeded to the site where Officer Zamora,
Socorro County Undersheriff Jim luckie, Sergeant M, 8.
Chavez, and Officer Ted Jordan, New Mexico Stamte Police,
ware asscwbled.
It way be noted that it has been the observation
of Agont Byrues that Officer Zamors, known intimately for
aspproxinately five years, it well regarded as a sober,
industrious, and conscientious officer and not given
to fantasy.
Officer Zamors was noted to be perfectly sober
and somevhat agitated over his experience.
Special Agent DByrnes noted fowr indentations
in the rough ground at the "site” of the object described
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of the FBO, Sl vt -Y“' I"'OPERY
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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
by Officer Zamors. These depressions appeared regular
in shape, spproximately sixteen by six inches rectangular.
gach deprossion seemed to have boon made by a=a object
going into the earth at an angle from a center line. Each
depression was spproximately two inches deep amd pushed
some esrth to the far side.
Inside the four depressions were three burned
patchos of clumpe of grass. Other clumps of grass in the
sane srea appeared not to bo disturbed. One burned area
was outside the four depressions.
There were three circulsy marks in the earth
which were smooth, approximately four inches in diameter
and pesetrated in the sandy oarth approximstely one-eighth
of an inch as if a jar 1id bad gently been pushed into
the sand.
o other person was noted in the area the night
of April 24, 1964. No other objects were noted in the
aroa possibly connected with the imcident related by
officer Zamore.
fo far as could be noted, there were no houses
or inhabited dwellings in the sren or in sight of the aves.
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ifi%&i&ég FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
In Reply. Pl Refr i S
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
SOCORRO, NEW MEXICO
APRIL 24, 1964
The following data were obtained from Officer
Lonnie Zamora, Police Department, Socorro, New Mexico,
the night of April 24, 1964, and early morning, April 25,
1964, as related by Officer Zamora.
Lonnie Zamora, 606 Reservoir Street, Socorro,
New Mexico, 835-1134, Officer Socorro Police Department
about five years, office phone 835-0941, now on 2:00 P. M.
to 10:00 P, M. shift.
About 5:45 P. M., April 24, 1964, while in
Socorro 2 Police Car (1964 Pontiac white) started to chase
a car due south from west side of Courthouse. Car was
apparently speeding, and was about three blocks in front.
At point on Old Rodeo Street, (extension of Park Street
south), near George Morillo residence (about one-half mile
south of Spring Street). The chased car was going straight
ahead toward rodeo grounds. Car chased was a new black
Chevrolet, (it might have been Floyd Reynolds' boy, Vivian,
about 17). Chased car still about three blocks ahead.
S uted outside your
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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
Lonnie alone.
At this time heard a roar and saw a flame in the
sky to the southwest some distance away--possibly a half
mile or a mile. Came to mind that a dynamite shack in that
area had blown up. Decided to abandon the chase, and to
check on the flame. The flame was bluish and sort of orange
too. Could not tell size of flame. Sort of motionless
flame, slowly descending. Was still driving the police car
and could not pay too much attention to the flame. It was
a narrow type of flame. It was like a ''stream down''=- a
funnel type--narrower at top than at bottom. Flame possibly
three degrees or so in width--not wide. The flame was
possibly a mile south of Socorro, in isolated area.
The flame about twice as wide at bottom as top,
and about four times as high as top was wide. Did not
notice any object at top, did not note if top of flame was
level. Sun was to west and did not help vision. Had green
sun glasses over prescription glasses. /) Could not
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see bottom of flame because it was behind the hill.
No smoke noted. Noted some '"commotion'" at bottom--
dust? Possibly from windy day--wind was blowing hard. Clear
sunny sky otherwise--just a few clouds scattered over area.
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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
Noise was a roar, not a blast. Not like a jet.
Changed from high frequency to low frequency and then
stopped. Roar lasted possibly ten seconds--was going towards
it at that time on the rough gravel road. Saw flame about
as long as heard the sound. Flame same color as best as
recall. Sound distinctly from high to low until it disappeared.
Both car windows were down. No other spectators noted--no
traffic except the car in front--and car in front might have
heard it but possibly did not see it because car in front
was too close to hill in front, to see the flame.
After the roar and flame, did not note anything,
while going up the somewhat steep rough hill toward the
flame site. Got up about half way first time, wheels started
skidding, roar still going on, had to back down and try twice
again before made the hill., Hill about sixty feet long, fairly
steep and with loose gravel and rock. While beginning third
time, noise and flame not noted.
After got to top, traveled slowly on the gravel
road westwardly. Noted nothing for awhile, for possibly
ten or fifteen seconds, went slow, looking around for the
dynamite shack--did not recall exactly where the dynamite
shack was.
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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
Suddenly noted a shiny type object to south
about 150 to 200 yards. It was off the road. At first
glance, stopped. It looked, at first, like a car turned
upside down. Thought some kids might have turned over.
Saw two people in white coveralls very close to the object.
One of these persons seemed to turn and look straight at
my car and seemed startled--seemed to quickly jump somewhat.
When I first saw the object, (when I thought it
might be a car), I saw what appeared to be two legs of
some type from the object to the ground. At the time, I
didn't pay much attention to what it was--I thought it was
an accident--I saw the two persons. I didn't pay attention
to the two "legs?". The two '"legs'" were at the bottom
of the object, slanted outwards to the ground. The object
might have been about thee and a half feet from the ground
at that time. I just glanced at it.
At this time I started moving my car towards them
quickly, with idea to help. Had stopped about only a
couple seconds. Object was like aluminum--it was whitish
against the mesa background, but not chrome. Seemed like
;/ in shape and I at first glance took it to be an
ovg;turned white car. Car appeared turned up like standing
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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
on radiator or on trunk, at this first glance.
The only time I saw these two persons was when I
had stopped, for possibly two seconds or so, to glance at
the object. I don't recall noting any particular shape
or possibly any hats or headgear. These persons appeared
normal in shape--but possibly they were small adults or
large kids.
Then paid attention to road while drove towards scene.
Radioed to sheriff's office, "Socorro 2 to Socorro, possible
10-44 (accident); I'1l be 10-6 (busy) out of the car checking
the car down in the arroyo."
Stopped car, was still talking on radio, started
to get out, mike fell down, reached back to put up mike,
then replaced radio mike in slot, got out of car and turned
to go down to where knew the object (car) was.
As my mike fell, I got out of car, at scene area,
I heard about two or three loud '"thumps,'" like someone
possibly hammering or shutting a door or doors hard, These
"thumps'" were possibly a second or less apart. This was
just before the roar. The persons were not seen When I got
up to the scene area.
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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
Hardly turned around from car when heard roar,
(was not exactly a blast), very loud roar--at that close
was real loud. Not like a jet--knows what jets sound like.
started low frequency quickly, then roar rose in frequency
(higher tone) and in loudness--from loud to very loud. At
same time as roar saw flame. Flame was under the object.
Object was starting to go straight up--slowly up. Object
slowly rose straight up. Flame was light blue and at bottom
was sort of orange color. From this angle, saw what might
be the side of object (not end, as first noted). Difficult
to describe flame. Thought, from roar, it might blow up.
Flame might have come from underside of object, at middle,
possibly a four feet area--very rough guess. Can not
describe flame further except blue and orange. No smoke,
except dust in immediate area.
As soon as saw flame and heard roar, turned away,
ran away from object but did turn head several times towards
object. Bumped leg on car--back fender area. Car facing
southwest. Glasses fell to ground, left them there. Ran
to north--car between him and object.
Object was (__> in shape. It was smooth--no
windows or doors. As roar started, it was still on or near
ground. Noted red lettering of some type, like fZfl\> .
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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
Insignia was about two and one-half feet high and about
two feet wide, guess. Was in middle of object, like
. Object still like aluminum-white.
After fell by car and glasses fell off, kept
running to north with car between me and object. Glanced
back couple of times. Noted object to rise to about level
of car, about twenty to twenty-five feet, guess-~took I
guess about six seconds when object started to rise and I
glanced back. I ran I guess about half way to where I
ducked down--about fifty feet from the car is where I ducked
down, just over edge of hill., I guess I had run about
twenty-five feet when I glanced back and saw the object about
level with the car and it appeared about directly over the
place where it rose from.
I was still running and I jumped just over the
hill--I stopped because I did not hear the roar. I was
scared of the roar, and I had planned to continue running
down the hill. I turned around toward the object and at
same time put my head towards ground, covering my face with
my arms. Being that there was no roar, I looked up, and I
saw the object going away from me, in a southwest direction.
When the roar stopped, heard a sharp tone whine from high
tone to low tone. At end of roar was this whine and the
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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
whine lasted maybe a second. Then there was complete
silence about the object. That's when I lifted up my head
and saw the object going away from me. It did not come
any closer to me. It appeared to go in a straight line
and at same height--possibly ten to fifteen feet from ground,
and it cleared the dynamite shack by about three feet. Shack
about eight feet high. Object was traveling very fast. It
seemed to rise up and take off immediately across country.
I ran back to my car and as I ran back, I kept an eye on the
object. I picked up my glasses, (I left the sunglasses on
the ground), got into the car, and radioed to Nep Lopez,
radio operator, to "look out the window, to see if you could
see. an object." He asked, "What is it?" I answered, "It
looks like a balloon." I don't know if he saw it. If Nep
jooked out his window, which faces north, he couldn't have
seen it. I did not tell him at the moment which window to
look out of.
As I was calling Nep, I could still see the object.
The object seemed to 1lift up slowly, and to ''get small" in
the distance very fast. It seemed to just clear the Box
Canyon or Six Mile Canyon Mountain. It disappeared as it
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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
went over the mountain. It had no flame whatsoever as it
was traveling over the ground, and no smoke or noise.
Can't tell how long saw object second time (the
"close" time), possibly twenty seconds--just a guess~--from
time got out of car, glanced at object, ran from object,
jumped over edge of hill, then got back to car-and radioed
as object disappeared.
Just before Sergeant Chavez got to scemne, I got
my pen and drew a picture of the insignia on the object.
Feeling in good he2alth. Last drink--two or three
beers--was over a month ago. Noted no odors. Noted no
sounds other than described. Gave directions to Nep Lopez
at radio and to Sergeant M. S. Chavez to get there. Went
down to where the object had been and I noted the brush was
burning in several places. At that time, I heard Sergeant
Chaves, (New Mexico State Police at Socorro), calling me
on radio for my location, and I returned to my car, told
him he was '"looking at me." Then Sergeant Chavez came up,
asked me what the trouble was, because I was sweating and
he told me I was white, very pale. I asked the Sergeant
to see what I saw, and that was the burning brush. Then
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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
Sergeant Chavez and I went to the spot, and Sergeant
Chavez pointed out the tracks.
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i @w UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
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FichCo.y Jay 8' 1964
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OGBJECT
SOCORRO, NEW MEXICO
APRIL 24, 1964
The following data were obtained from Officer
Lomnie Zamora, Police Department, Focorro, New Mexico,
the night of April 24, 1964, and early morning, April 25,
1964, as related by Officer Zamora.
Lonnie Zamora, 606 Reservoir Street, Socorro,
New Mexico, 835-1134, Officer Socorro Police Department
about five years, office phone 835-0941, now on 2:00 P. M.
to 10:00 P, M. shift,
About 5:45 P, M., April 24, 1964, while in
Socorro 2 Police Car (1964 Pontiac white) started to chase
2 car duo south from west side of Courthouse. Car was
apparently speeding, and was about three blocks in fromt.
At point on Old Rodeo Etreet, (extemsion of Park Street
south), near George Morillo residence (about one-half mile
south of Spring Street). The chased car was going straight
ahead toward rodeo grounds. Car chased was a new black
Chevrolet, (it might have been Floyd Reynolds' boy, Vivian,
about 17). Ciased car still about three blocks ahead.
This ‘uc:;mcn! contains neither recommendations
nor conclusions of any kind. it is th
of the FBY, and is a loan to your ay:ncy:.i:r:::/':yr
#s contents are not to be distributed outside your
agency.
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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING (BJECT
Lonnie alone.
At this time hemrd & voar and saw & flame in the
sky to the southwest some distance away--possibly & half
mile or a mile. Came to mind that a dynamite shack in that
area had blown up. Decided to abandon the chase, and to
chock on the flame, The flmme was bluish and sort of orange
too. Could not tell size of fiame. Sort of motionless
flame, slowly descending. Vas still driving the police car
and could not pay too much sttention to the flame. It was
2 narrow type of flame. It was like a "stream down'-- &
funnel type--narrower at top than st bottom. Flame possibly
three degrees or so in width--not wide. The flame was
possibly a mile south of Socorro, in isolated avea.
The £lsme sbout twice #= wide at botiom a= top,
and about fowr times us high as top was wide. Did not
notice any object at top, did not note if top of flame was
level. Sun was to west and did not help vision. Had green
sun glasses over mraseription glasses. /,« | Could not
see bottom of flame becsuse it was Mm hill,
o smoke notod. Noted some "commotion™ &t bottom--
dust? Possibly from windy day--wind was blowing hard., Clear
sunny sky otherwise--just & fow clouds scattered over area.
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UNIDENTIFIND FLYING OBJECT
Noise was a roar, mot & blast. Not like a jet.
Changed from high frequemcy to low frequancy and then
stopped. Ropr lasted possibly ten seconds—-was going towsrds
it at that time on the rough gravel road. Eaw fliame about
a8 long s beard the sound. Fleme same color as best as
recikll, Sound distinctly from high to low until it disappeared.
Both car windows were down. No other spectators noted--no
traffic except the car in front--mid car in front might have
beoawrd it but possibly did not se¢ it because cmxr in front
was too clome to hill in front, to see the flmme.
After the roar and Llmme, did not note anything,
while going up the somewhat sleep rovgh hill toward the
flame site. Got up about half way first tine, vieels started
skidding, roar still going on, had to back down and try twice
sgain before made the hill, Hill sbout sixty feet long, fairly
steep and with loose gravel and rock. Whilp begimning third
time, noise and flame not soted.
After got to top, traveled slowly om the arawl
road westwardly. Noted nothing for awhile, for possibly
ten or fifteen seconds, went clow, looking around for the
dynamite shack--did not recall exactly where the dynamite
sheck was.
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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING CBJECT
fuddenly noted a shiny type objeet to south
sbout 150 to 200 yards. It was off the road., AL first
glance, stopped. It looked, at first, 1ike 2 car tuwrned
upside down. Thought some kids might have turned over.
Eaw tvo poople in white coversalls very close to the object.
One of those persons seemed to furn and look straight at
my car snd seemed startled--seemoed to guickly jump somewhat.
When I firet saw the object, (vhen I thought it
might be a ocar), I saw what appeared to be two legs of
some type from the object to the groumd. At the time, I
didu*t pay smch sttention to what it was--I thought it was
an sccidornt--I saw the two persoms. 1 didn't pay attentiom
to the two "legs?". The two "logs"™ were nt the bottom
of the object, slanted outweards to the ground. The object
might have been about thee and = half feet irom the groumd
at that time. I just glmnced at it.
At this tise I started moving my car towards them
quickiy, with ides to help. Had stopped sbout only &
couple seconds. Object was like alwminum~-it was whitish
againet the wesa background, bLut not chrome., Seemed like
(1 in shape and I at firet glance took it to be an
overturned white car. Cwr appesred turned up like standing
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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
on radiator or on trunk, at this firet glance.
The only time I saw these two persons was when X
had stopped, for possibly two seconds or so, o glance at
the object. I don't recall noting any particulsr shape
or possibly any hats or headgesr. These persons appeared
normal in shape--but possibly they were small adults ox
large kids.
Then paid attention to road while drove towards sceone.
Radiced to sheriff's office, "Socorro 2 to Socorro, possible
10-44 (aceident); I'11 be 106 (busy) out of the cir checking
the car down in the arroyo.”
Stopped car, wae ®till talking on radio, started
to got out, mike fell down, resched back to put up wmike,
then replaced radio mike in slot, got out of car and turned
to go down to where Imew the object (car) was,
: A2 my mike fell, I got out of cxr, at scone area,
I hoard sbout two or three loud "thumps,” like someone
possibly hammering or shutting & door or doors bard. These
“thanmps" vere possibly a second or less apart. This was :
j just before the roar. The persons were not seen When I geot
up to the scene ares.
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UNIDENTIFIED FIYING OBJRCT
Hardly turaed around from car when heard roar,
(was not exmctly & blast), very loud roar--at that close
was veal lowd. Not like & jot--Imows what jets sound like.
Started low frequency quickly, then roar rose in frequency
(higher tone) and in loudness--from loud to very loud. At
same time as roar saw flame. Flame was under the object.
Ohject was starting to go straight up--slowly up. Object
slowly rose straight up. Flame was 1light blue and at bottom
was sort of orange color. ¥From this angle, sav what might
be the side of object (not end, as first noted). Difficult
to describe flame. Thought, from roar, it might blow up.
Flame might have come from underside of object, st middle,
possibly & four feet area~-very rough guess. Can not
doscribe fliame further except blue and orangs. No smoke,
: except dust in immediate area.
As soon 28 saw flame and heard roar, turped away,
ran away from object but did turn head several times towards
object, Bumped leg on car--back fender area. Car facing
southwest. Glasses fell to ground, left them there. Ran
to north--car between him and object.
Object was (> in shape. It was smooth--no
windows or doors. As romr started, it was still on or nemr
ground. Noted red lettering of some type, like /2\7 A
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Insignis was sbout two and ono-half feet high and sbout
two foet wide, guess. ¥as in middle of object, like
/A . Object still like aluminmum-white.
After fell by car and glasses foll off, kept
running to north with car between me and objeci. Glanced
back couple of times. Ngted cbject to rise %o sbout level
of cax, sbout twenty to twenty-five feet, guess-——fook I
guess sbout six secumds when object started to rise and I
glanced back, I ran I guess about half way to where I
ducked down--about £ifty feet from the car iz whevre I ducked
down, just over edge of hill. I guess I had run shout
twenty~five feet when I glanced back and saw the object about
level with the car and it appesred about directly over the
place where it rose from.
I was still rusning and I Jumped just over the
hill=-1 stopped because I did not hear the roar. I was
scared of the roar, and I had plmnned to continue running
down the hill. I twrned sround toward the object and at
same time put my head towards ground, covering my face with
my arms. Being that there was no roar, I looked up, and I
sav the object going away from me, in & southwest directiom.
When the rosr stopped, hesrd s sharp tone whine from high
tone to low tome., At end of romr was this whine and the
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whine lssted maybe & second. Then there was complete
silence sbout the object. That's when I lifted up my head
and saw the cbject going sway from me. It did not come
any closer to me. It appeared €0 go in a straight line
and at same height--possibly ten to fifteen feet from ground,
and it cleared the dynamite shack by about thwee fset. Shack
sbout sight feet high. Object was traveling very fast. It
secusl to rise up and take off immediately across country.
I ran baok to my car and ns I ran bsck, I kept an eye on the
cbject. I picked up my glasses, (I left the susglasses on
the ground), got into the car, and radiced to Nep lopez,
radio operator, to "look out the window, to see if you could
seo an object.” Ho asked, "What is 1t?" I snswered, "It
looks Iike & balloon.” I don't imow if he saw it. If Nep
looked out his window, which faces morth, he couldn't have
seen it. I did not tell him at the moment which window %o
look out of,
As I was calling Nep, I could still seo¢ the object.
The object seomed to lift up slowly, and to “get small” in
the distance very fast. It seemed to just clear the Box
Canyon or Bix Mile Canyon Mountain., It disappeared as it
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went over the mounmtain. It had ne flmme whatscever as it
was traveling over the ground, and no smoke or noise.
Can't tell how long saw object second time (the
"gclose"” time), poseibly twenty seconds--just s guess—from
time got out of car, glanced a2t object, ran from ohject,
jumped over edge of hill, them got back to car and radiced
as ohject disappeared.
Just before Sergesnt Chavez got o scene, I got
ny pen and drew a picture of the insignia on the object.
Feeling in good health. Last driask-~two or three
beers--yas over a mouth ago. Noted no odors., Noted ne
sounds other than described. Gave directions to Nep Lopez
gt radio and to Sergeant M. 8. Chavez to get there. Went
down to where the object had boen and I noted the brush was
burning in several places. At that time, I hosrd Sergeant
Chaves, (New Mexico State Folice at Socorre), ¢alling me
on radic for my location, and I returned teo my oax', told
him he was "looking at me." Then Sergeant Chavez came up,
ssked me what the trouble was, becsuse I was swveating and
he told m¢ I was white, very pale. I asked the Sergeant
to see what I saw, and that was the burning byush. Then
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Sergesnt Chavez and I went to the spot, and Saevgesnt
Chavez pointed out the trachs,
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gj UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
".\‘fl ;."'. FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
e p P Albuquerque, New Mexico
In Reply, e Refer to
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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
SOCORRO, NEW MEXICO
APRIL 24, 1964
The following data were obtained from Officer
Lomnie Zamora, Police Department, Socorro, New Mexico,
the night of April 24, 1964, and early morming, April 25,
1964, as related by Officer Zamora.
Lonnie Zamora, 606 Reservoir Street, Socorro,
New Mexico, 835-1134, Officer Socorro Police Department
about five years, office phone 835-0941, now on 2:00 P, M.
to 10:00 P. M. shift.
About 5:45 P. M., April 24, 1964, while in
Socorro 2 Police Car (1964 Pontiac white) started to chase
a car due south from west side of Courthouse. Car was
apparently speeding, and was about three blocks in fromt.
At point on 0ld Rodeo Street, (extension of Park Street
south), near George Morillo residence (about one-half mile
south of Spring Street). The chased car was going straight
ahead toward rodeo grounds. Car chased was a new black
Chevrolet, (it might have been Floyd Reynolds' boy, Viviam,
about 17). Chased car still about three blocks ahead.
This document contains neither recommendations
nor conclusiens of any kind. it is the property
..‘ the FBY, and is a foan to your agency; it andfor
its contents are not to be distributed outside your
agency.
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Lomnie zlome.
At this time heard & yoar and saw & f£lame in the
sky to the southwest some distance away--possibly a half
mile or a mile., Came to mind that a dynamite shack in that
area bhad blown up. Decided to abandon the chase, sad to
check on the flame. The f£lame was bluish and sort of orange
too. Could not tell size of f£lame. Sort of motionless
fiame, slowly descending. Was still driving the police car
and could not pay too mmuch attention to the fiame. It was
a narrow type of flame. It was like a "stream down''ew a
funnel type--narrower at top than at bottom. Flame possibly
three degrees or 0 in width--not wide. The fliawe was
possibly & mile south of Socorro, in isolated srea.
The f£lame about twice as wide at boitom as top,
and about four times as high as top was wide. Did not
notice any object at top, did not note if top of Liane was
level. Bun was to west snd did not help vision. Had green
sun glasses over prescription glasses. t Could not
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see bottom of flame because it was behind the hiil,
No smoke noted. Noted some "commotion” at bottow—
dust? Posgibly from windy day--wind was blowing haxd. Cleax
sunny sky otherwise--just a fow clouds scattered over area.
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Noise was & roar, not & blast. Not like a jet.
Changed fram high frequency to low frequency and then
stopped. Roar lasted poseibly ten seconds--was going towsrds
it at that time on the rough gravel road. Saw flane about
as long as hesrd the sound. Flame same color as best &=
vecull, Sound distinctly from high to low until it disappeared.
Both car windows were down. No other spectators noted--no
traffic except the car in front--and car in front night have
heard it but possibly did not see it because car in front
was too close to hill in front, to see the fliane.
After the roaxr and flamme, did not note anything,
while going up the somewhat steep rough hill toward the
flame site. Got up sbout half way first time, wheels started
skidding, yoar still goiag on, had to back dowa and try twice
again before wade the hill, Hill about sixty feet long, fairly
stoop and with loose gravel and rock. VWhile beginning third
time, noise and fiame not noted.
After got to top, traveled siowly om the gravel
road wesitwardly. Noted nothing for awhile, for possibly
ten or fifteen seconds, went slow, looking sround for the
dynanite shack--did not recall sxactly where the dynamite
shack vas.
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fuddenly noted a shiny type object to mouth
sbout 150 to 200 yards. It was off the road., At first
glance, stopped. It looked, at first, like 2 car turned
upside down. Thought some kids might have tuwrned over.
Saw two people im white coveralls very close to the object.
one of these persons seemed to turn and look strmight at
ny car snd scemed startled--seamed to guickly juump soemewhat.
¥hen I first saw the object, (when I thought it
night be a car), I saw what appeared to be two legs of
somo type from the object to the groumd. At the time, I
didn't pay such attentiom to what it was--I thought it was
an scoident-«I sav the two persons. I dida't pay attention
to the two "legs?". The two "legs" were at the bottom
of the object, slanted outwards to the ground. The object
might have been sbout tive and 3 half feet from the ground
at thet times. I just glanced at it.
At this time I started moving my car towards them
quickly, with idea’ to help. Had stopped about only &
couple seconds. Object was like aluminum--it was whitish
sgainst the mesa background, but not chrome. Feemed like
(} in shape and I at first glance took it to be an
ov!l;tnrmd white car. Car appesred turned up like standing
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on radigtor or on trunk, at this first glance.
The only time I saw these two persons was when I
had stopped, for possibly two seconds or so, to glance at
the object. I don't recall noting any partioular shape
or possibly any hate or headgear. These persons appeared
normil in shape--but possibly they were small adults ov
large kids.
Then paid attention to road while drove towards scene.
Radiced to sheriff's office, "Socorro 2 to Socorro, possible
10-44 (accident)j I'11 be 10-6 (busy) out of the car checking
the car down in the arroyo.”
Stopped car, was 5till talking on radio, started
to get out, mike foll down, reached back to put up mike,
then replaced radio mile in slot, got out of cmr and turned
to go down to where knew the object (car) was.
A8 my mike fell, I got out of car, 2t scene aren,
I heard ghout two or three loud "thumps,"” like someone
possibly hammering or shutting a door or doors baxd. These
"thanps” vere possibly a socond or less apart. This was
just before the roayr. The persons were not seen vhen I got
up to the scens area.
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Hardly turned sround from car when hesrd roar,
(was not exactly & blast), very loud rosr--at that close
was real loud. Not like a jet--imows what jeis sound like.
Started low frequency guickly, them roar rome in frequency
(higher tone) and in loudness--from loud to very loud. At
same time 8= roar saw flame. Flame was under the object.
Chject was starting to go straight up-——slowly up. Object
glowly rose straight wp. Flame was light blue and at botton»
was sort of orange color., From this angle, savw what might
be the side of object (mot end, as first noted). Difficult
to describe £lame. Thought, frem roar, it might blow up.
Flame might have come from underside of object, at middle,
possibly & fowr feet area-~very rough guess, Can not
describe flsme further excapt blue snd orange. No saoke,
. except dust in immediate aren.
As soon as saw flame and heard roar, turned away,
ran awvey from object but did turn head several times towards
object. Bumped leg on car--back fender area. Car facing
southwent. Glasses fell to ground, left them there. Ran
to north--car between him and object.
Object was O in shape. It was smooth--no
windows or doors. As roaxr started, it was still on or near
ground. mmmmumtym.uh/{fl .
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Insignia was about two and ome-hal? feet high and sbout
two feot wide, guess. Was in middle of object, like
AR . Object still ldke slumimsi-white.
After feoll hy cay und glasses fell off, bept
running to north with car between me and object. Glanced
back couple of times. Noted object to rise to about level
of car, about twenty to twenty-five feet, guess--took I
guess sbout six seconds when object started to rise amd I
glanced back. I van I guess about half way to where I
ducked down--sbout f£ifty feet from the car is where I ducked
down, just over edge of hill., I guess I had run sbout
twventy-five feet when I glanced back and saw the object about
leovel with the car and it appeared about directly over the
place where it rose from.
I was still running and I jumped just over the
hill-~I stopped because I did not hear the roar. I was
scared of the roar, and I had planned to comtinue Mununing
down the hill, I turned around toward the object and at
same time put my head towards ground, covering my face with
my srme, Being that there was no roar, I looked up, and X
sav the object going away from me, in 2 southwest directiom.
¥hen the roar stopped, hesrd a sharp tone whine from high
tone to low tone. At end of rear was this whine and the
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whine lasted maybe a second. Then there was complete
silence sbout the object. That's when I lifted up my head
and sav the object going away from me. It did not come
any closer to me. It appeared t0 go in & straight line
and at same height--possibly ten to fifteen feet from ground,
and it cleared the dymamite shack by about three feet. Shack
sbout eight feet high. Object was traveling very fast. It
seemed to rise up and take off ilmmediately across country.
I ran back to my car and a8 I ran back, I kept an ¢ye on the
object. I picked up my glasses, (I left the sunglasses on
the ground), got into the car, and radioced to Nep lLope=z,
radio operator, to "look out the window, to see if you could
see an object.” He asked, "What is it?" I answered, "It
looks 1ike a balloon.”™ I don't kuoow if he saw it. If Nep
locked out his window, which faces morth, he coulda't have
seen it., I did not tell him at the moment which wirdow to
look out of.
As I was calling Nep, I could still see the object.
The ohject seemed to 1ift up slowly, and to "get small" in
the distance very fast. It seemed to just clear the Box
Canyon or Six iile Canyon lMountain. It disappeared as it
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wvent over the mountain. It bhad no flame whatscever as it
was traveling over the ground, and no smoke or noise.
Can't tell how long saw object second time (the
"close™ time), possibly twenty seconds—-just a guess—-from
tine got out of car, glanced at object, ran from object,
jumped over edge of hill, them got back to car and radioced
as object dimappeared.
Just before Sergeant Chavez got to sceme, I got
my pen and drew 2 picture of the insigunis on the object.
Feeling in good health. Last drink--two or three
beers--~was over a moanth ago. Noted mo odors. Noted no
sounds other than described. Gave directions to Nep lLopez
at radio and to Pergeant M. BE. Chavez to get there. Vent
down to where the ohject had been and I noted the hrush was
burning in several places. At that time, I heard Sergeant
Chaves, (New Mexico SBtate Police at Bocorre), calling me
on radio for my location, and I returned to my car, told
hin he was "looking at me.” Then Sergeant Chavez caue up,
asked me what the trouble was, because I was sweating and
be told me I was white, very pale. I ssked the Sergeant
to see what I saw, and that was the buraing brush. Then
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Chavez pointed out the tracks.
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